2024-03-03: For It Is Easier To Destroy Than To Protect

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  • Log: For It Is Easier To Destroy Than To Protect
  • Cast: Elisa Kafim, Kaworu Nagisa
  • Where: Silent Castle, Kaffeklubben Island, Earth
  • OOC - IC Date: March 03, 2024 (September 0098)
  • Summary: Kaworu visits Elisa at the Silent Castle. They converse, and cover topics from the Void to love to the world as it is now--and could be, too.


<Pose Tracker> Elisa Kafim has posed.


It is not often that Elisa Kafim entertains visitors here at the Silent Castle for social occasions. Oh, it happens now and then, but it's Yuliana who is noted to have friends. Elisa... has business associates, and mostly meets with them in boardrooms elsewhere.

But, today, she has a social visit planned. The staff are hard at work to ensure the Castle is appropriately presentable, because there are proper ways to do these things. And when Kaworu arrives he will be shown into a warming room, after which he will be taken to a lovely little sitting-room where Elisa Kafim will wait.

She is in green today, as she is most days. Vibrant green, but not her traditional robes or crown. Those are not... sociable.

It's very cold. But the tea is warm. Elisa is patient. It would be more imperious to make him wait for her...

But she is trying to be 'friendly'. Yuliana would like it that way.

<Pose Tracker> Kaworu Nagisa has posed.

        It might be a social visit that was planned through Yuliana, but it's not as though Kaworu and Elisa haven't met already too. (Again, through Yuliana.) Kaworu doesn't make her wait, either; he arrives at the Castle gates after a trek from the closest port where his ride awaits, skips the warming room--for he arrived in his usual white button-up shirt, lavender undershirt, belted black slacks, and popped cream sneakers, completely unbothered by the cold--and arrives at the sitting-room with his hands tucked into his pockets.
        
        The moment he walks in is the exact moment that they agreed to meet. Not one second earlier or later.
        
        "Elisa Kafim," he greets her with his usual easygoing smile. If the staff are at all unsettled by him, he doesn't pay it any mind--and really, how unsettled are they really going to be, considering who they work for? He strolls in and, once invited to do so, takes the seat across from her. "It's a pleasure to see you again. I've been meaning to come pay this part of the world another visit for some time, and this is a good opportunity to do both."
        
        He folds his legs and considers the tea. After a second or two, he decides to accept a cup. Refreshments are not usually--ahem--Kaworu's cup of tea, but he does recognize the effort to be 'friendly,' and it is his own gesture of friendliness that he opts to receive it.

<Pose Tracker> Elisa Kafim has posed.


They're a little surprised to see someone who isn't Elisa shrugging off the cold like it doesn't matter at all. But most of them were here the last time Kaworu visited, and so it's not so bad. They do treat him with respect, though.

"Yes," Elisa agrees, "I am pleased to meet you again as well. I was surprised, when you chose to reach out..."

He has been meaning to visit, has he?

Elisa doesn't actually care that much about refreshments either, but it seems the Done Thing. She remembers, vaguely, when she would entertaing visitors in her previous life...

"Kaworu Nagisa," she greets in turn, and takes a sip of her tea. It is... it's tea.

"...How are those you care for?" she inquires, the most important part of small talk obviously.

"...My Yuliana is off at the Photon Power League, still receiving treatment. But she seems to benefit from it well enough."

<Pose Tracker> Kaworu Nagisa has posed.

        "I've thought for a while that you and I might be alike in some ways," Kaworu replies. "The last time Yuliana and I spoke reminded me of that. It might be a surprise to you, but to me, it's an inevitability."
        
        One day, some time in the future, Elisa might see it as an inevitability too. Or at least, some part of her will.
        
        She sips her tea, and Kaworu does likewise. It doesn't especially matter how it's been prepared, but it's pleasant enough.
        
        How are those he cares for, though? "It depends on which one you mean. Some fare better than others. The one I love most has found some stability, and the scars that battle left on his heart no longer bleed, for which I'm grateful." He sets down his teacup, eyes tender, smile bittersweet. "It is my dearest wish to make him happy."
        
        He nods in return at the talk of Yuliana's treatment. "Yes, she seemed quite positive on it when we spoke before. I admit, I was surprised myself to see that you were allowing it... pleasantly so, for both your sakes. It can be difficult to accept, but loving someone means allowing them to have people in their life besides oneself. For their sake."

<Pose Tracker> Elisa Kafim has posed.


"Is that so?" Elisa wonders. "...I wonder. I am curious what these similarities might be... besides, of course, our mutual propensity for enduring cold weather." She makes a 'joke'. Elisa is sure that this is being friendly, as well.

Maybe, though. Maybe she will. For now, there is much she does not see of Kaworu, or only sees secondhand.

"The one you love most is of course the most vital," Elisa says, inclining her head. "I am glad to hear this. ...It is an important wish indeed, for the well-being of the one you love."

"...But it is so," Elisa says. "That it woul be a surprise. Yes... I do not... enjoy, the truth in this matter. That there are things she requires that I cannot provide. But so long as I am dependent only upon my own power, to oppose my Self even for the best interest of all three of us is something I must do carefully."

"It is a thing I have difficulty accepting, as you say. But if she is so positive, that is... a good thing."

A pause, and a sigh. "So it is that I must seek alternatives. Perhaps it is so that in this, I would be served well by... better engaging, with Yuliana's world. With the Earth."

"For so long I did not know why I felt so distant from it, but..."

Now she does.

"You seem experienced in this matter. I suppose you must be; despite your power, you have not taken control of your portion of reality, as I have."

<Pose Tracker> Kaworu Nagisa has posed.

        "As am I," Kaworu replies, still smiling that faint, crooked smile of his. Her 'joke' gets a faint but sincere laugh out of him. It's strange to think that he might be better at being 'human' than she is, but then, he spends a lot more time around 'humans' than she does.
        
        "Yes," he agrees when she speaks of love. His gaze turns sympathetic when she admits that she too accepts the truth about love only bitterly, and he nods once. In some ways, Elisa is better positioned than he is; she is, after all, married to Yuliana, who remains quite devoted to her even with all her other friends in her life. Shinji... It's a bit complicated. Much of their fate still awaits them.
        
        This time around, anyway.
        
        "I do wonder--what is it that made you decide to oppose your Self in this matter?" he asks. "I've heard what Yuliana has to say about it, of course, but I'd like to hear it in your own words."
        
        It does overall sound as though Elisa and Yuliana are of the same mind, though. After all, Kaworu is here, being entertained as her guest, and she is agreeing with his statements. She makes her own statements on him, and he shrugs just a bit. "I have a bit more experience than most, but even I make mistakes from time to time. It continues to be a learning experience."
        
        He leans back in his seat, gaze going momentarily distant. "...Taking control is not my desire, anyway. I was born of this world, but it is not mine to inherit. I must not inherit it."

<Pose Tracker> Elisa Kafim has posed.


So he does not himself yet know; there is a certain kinship she finds she feels with him, if only because of their mutual distance, though. ...She was once far better at being 'human', but it is not because of her Zentradi heritage that she has difficulty with it now.

In many ways Elisa is perfectly positioned with Yuliana... and yet, Yuliana continues to risk herself. A thing that could be ideal thus becomes... problematic.

"...Mm." Elisa nods, as if giving her assent to the question, before she actually answers it. "It is..." She considers. "I suppose it is ultimately selfish, though I would say that my concern for Yuliana herself is a factor. Perhaps my greater Self could reconstitute her through her spirit alone. But 'I' would lose her, in this way. And I do not find that acceptable. I do not believe Yuliana, either, wishes to die... But it would be deceptive, to claim that only my concern for her wishes motivates me to oppose my Self."

She is thoughtful, admitting this aloud; it is asserting her own will as separate from her Self's, and not only for Yuliana's sake; it is weighty, to her.

"So that is the 'truth'. I would not lose Yuliana, even to my Self."

They are of the same mind, or at least, similar minds, on many things like this. "Learning... Yes, that is my hope. For myself. For the world."

She is less distant, more focused, when Kaworu speaks of control. "...This world has long been only a distant concern for me. My dream, once, was to guide humanity to a great future, the future that only humanity can bring to pass, by inspiring them to understand kaiju."

"But now I do not care. Humanity does not seem to wish the 'salvation' I would bring it. It is Yuliana who wishes to 'save' the world now. I am no longer certain that I wish to give the Void to those who do not wish it themselves. Perhaps I will simply strike a path, and let those who would follow do so."

<Pose Tracker> Kaworu Nagisa has posed.

        In other words, Elisa doesn't want to lose Yuliana... the way she did last time. Kaworu's expression is thoughtful as he considers this. It may be selfish of Elisa, but he understands the sentiment, despite his own consistent trouble with being selfish (at least according to the people around him; Kaworu considers himself to be too selfish already, but he does want to listen to the people who care for him). It's an interesting assertion beyond that, though. It would be like if Kaworu's human side were to refuse to lose Shinji to his Angelic side.
        
        He wonders, a bit, what that would feel like. To be split in two, one 'human,' one 'Angel.' There was that time where he made himself forget he ever was an Angel, but that didn't work out in the end...
        
        He wonders if Elisa's attempts are just as ill-fated.
        
        "What do you remember?" he wonders. "Of last time."
        
        He'll let Elisa interpret his meaning as she will. If she doesn't understand, that's its own answer. But if she does...
        
        "It's noble of you to want to bring salvation to others. But as you say, one's salvation is another's damnation. You cannot force it upon others," he replies. "To strike a path and allow those who wish for it to follow seems reasonable to me. One must choose for oneself, but sometimes one cannot make one's choices come to fruition alone."
        
        It's reassuring to know that Elisa no longer wants to force a future on humanity, either. That pulls her away from the way SEELE would do things--makes her a less likely ally to their machinations, as he'll later report.
        
        "Yuliana and I spoke a bit before on the possibility of opening the way to the Void somewhere away from Earth--perhaps the Asteroid Belt," he continues. "What's your view on that matter?"

<Pose Tracker> Elisa Kafim has posed.


It is something Elisa is familiar with only from one side; were she able to perceive the other 'half', she would not feel so split. As it stands, it is only with difficulty and Yuliana's aid, one way or another, that she seems to commune with her other Self.

It is hard to say what the 'fate' of such a being is.

"Nothing," Elisa says honestly. "I do not recall what it was, to be Her. What must it have been like, before our ascension? I do not know. Only before I awakened to power, and after."

She understands... something different; it would seem she does not realize 'last time' is as Kaworu knows.

Perhaps she misunderstands for a different reason.

"Noble... Nobility is a thing humanity has largely abandoned, since the Middle Ages and the medieval period before that. Not completely, of course. But the idea that some are born to make decisions for the others--it is less common, in these days."

She nods, after a moment. "Reasonable... yes. I would still lead those who are willing to follow. The Void need not be the sole domain of my Self. I think it would be... pleasing, to have others there. Yuliana, certainly, would prefer company. This I am sure of. But I do not... mind it, myself."

She may still be willing to do such a thing, of course. But it lacks the lustre it once held.

"Hmmm... Did you, now?" Elisa tilts her head, sets down her tea. "I suppose that would be fine. I have no particular opinion on it; space is vast, and the Void just as vast. We need not open the Way so close to where humans live, necessarily."

"With the North Pole changed, we could channel power from it out to a place long beyond Earth's orbit. We need not open that Gate again. Not that Gate, at least."

<Pose Tracker> Kaworu Nagisa has posed.

        "Hmmm," Kaworu murmurs. But he doesn't correct her misunderstanding. Her current understanding is still valuable, in and of itself.
        
        Likewise, she has a different take on what it means to be 'noble' compared to him. But understanding that about her is also valuable. He can understand now why her Self manifests as an 'empress'--one who makes decisions for others.
        
        "The Arctic is remote, so I understand why you chose it, but as you say, the Void is vast. It could easily swallow up the Earth and threaten the lives that live here already," Kaworu replies. His smile turns rueful, and he adds, "...Not unlike the large lifeforms we call 'kaiju.'
        
        "Nevertheless, it's good that you aren't against it. I would understand if you had said it had to be the Earth, but it will be easier to reconcile if you and Yuliana can move safely away." He pauses. "I should ask, though... Yuliana wasn't quite sure of how to answer what would take place after the Void has opened." She did give an answer later, but she wasn't sure of it. It was ultimately only her saying what Elisa said. But now... "Do you have an answer?"

<Pose Tracker> Elisa Kafim has posed.


Unaware of such knowledge, she does not act on it. That is that.

She is used to making decisions for others, though. For Yuliana, for one; Yuliana has so often asked her, in this way and that, what to think, what to do...

"True," Elisa says of the Void's possibilities. A wry look in return. "Yes," Elisa says, and she seems more... engaged, than she did at the beginning of the conversation. "The smaller lives that exist already must already work around the larger beings that leave such wake. I suppose we have no reason to go out of our way to step on them. Yuliana cares for such things. So do you."

A pause. "...I suppose I may have, at some point."

He would understand... "No," Elisa says, "I see no reason that it must be the Earth. Only that I would want Yuliana to have her home to join her. But it seems as if that may not be the case." A pause. The Void opening...

"I know some. I speculate more," she says, and manages to sound certain of herself even so. "I cannot know for certain what all will occur, having not seen it. Those who venture to the Void will become as my Self, if they have the self-will and self-concept for it. Not so powerful as I, not immediately. But they will have the capacity to shape existence as I do."

"This is manifest well enough; my Self was able to do so, though we came originally from the Earth. The rest... it is hard to say."

"But I know that my Yuliana and I will be able to live there, together. And presumably I will be whole again, bringing what I have gathered in my sojourn as someone adjacent to mortality."

"If we only open the way, and do not call it forth, that is that. The place where we open the Void may be changed, but this world as a whole will go on as it did before. Our Void is a part of this universe already, after all. If the Void were truly anathema to the concept of life, I could not therefore exist."

<Pose Tracker> Kaworu Nagisa has posed.

        That's an aspect of Yuliana and Elisa's relationship that Kaworu isn't familiar with, though he's gained an inkling of something like it after his last conversation with Yuliana. But they're clearly in love, so surely for the most part it's fine. Elisa is quite accommodating, after all--as she says just now, of small vs. large lifeforms.
        
        Kaworu chuckles, and his smile is warmer too. "I appreciate that you consider what I care for worth valuing," he says with a touch of humor. "Where it's possible to compromise, I hope we can continue to compromise between small and large lifeforms. There are so many times and entities where we can't."
        
        Likewise, when Elisa says she might have cared about where she put her feet once upon a time, Kaworu's smile once again shifts to something a little more sympathetic. Despite how small the form he takes is, he does understand.
        
        "That's good to hear. We can both hope for compromise, in that case. If you're interested, I can do what I can to advise you on exploring this world on the level that small lifeforms do." (Not 'Lilim,' because not all Lilim are small, after all.) "But we can discuss that a little later."
        
        After all, she's still answering the question he just asked about what comes after the Void. It seems Elisa has indeed forgotten, though she'd already said as much, and Kaworu had no reason to doubt her. (Kaworu tends to assume he's being told the truth. This has been to his detriment many times. However, as far as he can tell, the things Elisa tells him are the truth. At the very least, what he's observed of the Void matches what she says now.) Still, it's very interesting to hear her perspective on it; all he knows is what he observed from the outside. He nods thoughtfully.
        
        "I imagine there will be many who are interested in becoming as your Self is. Their motives for it may not be pure, however. It's a very difficult and very unfortunate truth to have to handle," he remarks. "Still, thank you for telling me. I will not be one of the ones to follow you, but I do wish you and Yuliana well there."

<Pose Tracker> Elisa Kafim has posed.


"Heh." Elisa nearly laughs. "...Yes. I thought you might." Humor! It can exist! And it's not solely about puns. ...Solely. "I find you worth compromising with, Kaworu Nagisa. So long as this is true, I will be pleased to make such an effort."

Sympathy... Elisa is unused to it being directed at her. She looks curiously at Kaworu as he does so. She is not sure if it is good or bad, really. But it is something.

"I am interested," Elisa says. "I believe... that in order to gain the power I need to engage my Self as more of an equal, I must understand this world. And even if I lacked that goal, I believe it is a part of my mission, to understand Our wife's home."

But she is answering that question; Elisa is willing to employ deception, but as a rule she does not speak lies. This is true in thiss case, as well.

"I do not mind impure motives. Discovery has long been sought for reasons less than noble, and yet the cause of knowledge is served all the same." A pause. A difficult and unfortunate truth... yes, this tells her much of Kaworu, she thinks.

"You are welcome. I appreciate that you are willing to engage in dialogue in this way. Few are. They are so attached to their ways of life that even the prospect of change promotes such violent reaction." A pause. "A logical, if inconvenient reaction."

<Pose Tracker> Kaworu Nagisa has posed.

        "Thank you," Kaworu replies of being worth compromised with. Elisa might not outright laugh, but he does recognize that there was humor there, and his smile broadens.
        
        As for sympathy, it isn't really good or bad. It might be good in the sense that it's something that they're connecting over, but that's all. Even so, yes: it is something.
        
        He hums thoughtfully as Elisa explains that understanding the world is part of her mission, too. "Then ask me what you like, and I'll advise you as I can. I admit it's limited, though. I'm half human, but I don't tend to think of myself as human, you see." His smile turns rueful. "But I think it's because of that that what advise I can give you will be useful."
        
        ...And so Elisa might get an inkling of why Kaworu gave her that sympathetic look earlier. He may not specify what his inhuman half, but surely he doesn't need to.
        
        In the same way, while Kaworu can sometimes speak deceptively, he never lies outright--not on purpose. ("Telling a lie" and "being wrong" are two different things, after all.) At the least, it's something he consciously avoids.
        
        "I suppose that's true," he concedes of knowledge and impure motives. "But depending on what those motives are, they may end up hiding or even corrupting the knowledge that was sought. I have difficulty with those types, myself. If you don't, though, then that is good."
        
        His smile renews at her gratitude. "Very logical. They are afraid of being stepped on, both figuratively and literally," he replies. "I don't mind it so much, personally. I already decided to step aside. Granted, there are many who are dear to me who do mind, and so I must be mindful myself, but being mindful and rejecting other ways of being are not the same, as I'm sure you well know."
        
        He reaches for his teacup and takes another sip; it feels like it's time to do so, and it'll give Elisa time to think of whatever advice she might want from him at this time.

<Pose Tracker> Elisa Kafim has posed.


Advice... Elisa thinks about that for a little longer. He does not, particularly, have to suggest what his other half is. "That's logical as well," Elisa says of his advice being more useful that way. "Even were I mortal, I would not be entirely human. So that is more helpful to me."

She does get it; she gets it because she's in the world more at the moment, paying more attention.

...Elisa has been known, rarely, to be wrong as well.

"That is fair," Elisa says. "I must trust to my strength to be able to crush such individuals. That is the code of 'power' to which I hold myself. I have no issue with their existence... but should they wish to affect others, then they will invite retaliation."

A smile, in return. It is small, and not entirely pleasant, but it does have the correct number of teeth. "They are. I do not begrudge them their fear. It is the natural state of a limited life form. ...But they have potential. I would prefer to see them realize it. I do not like to waste unduly." Elisa, too, takes a sip of her tea at the reminder that it exists.

"...yes," she says. "That is true as well. They are different..." She muses. "I must consider this further. "'Mindful'... it is the word my Yuliana has used, to help to anchor me to this world."

She muses a little further, before, "...How do you..." She considers. "I suppose I should acquire a 'hobby'. Do you have any advice as to starting them, for one who needs no sleep, and sees no particular benefit in most mortal pastimes?"

<Pose Tracker> Kaworu Nagisa has posed.

        Kaworu appreciates that Elisa's smile, as ever, contains the correct number of teeth. It's good to be able to be what you are.
        
        "I see. Yes, that makes sense for you," he says of her and her code of 'power.' "The one I love cannot abide by any sort of crushing when it comes to human beings, and I've chosen to adhere myself to his wishes." Not unlike how Elisa has for Yuliana. Consequently, though, he's much more limited than she is--which Kaworu trusts Elisa to understand.
        
        "Yes. I would like to see them reach their potential also," he replies. "Though as I said before, it's a potential they must reach on their own. It's why I don't interfere in human conflicts." ...And so Elisa might understand why Kaworu is in NERV. Or at least part of why.
        
        It's good overall though that Elisa is so willing to listen--to think another perspective over. It's an interesting coincidence that Yuliana has also used the word 'mindful,' and Kaworu notes that without remarking on it. There's something else to focus on first, after all.
        
        "My first piece of advice is to change how you view a 'hobby.' It isn't about benefit, but about pleasure. All Lilim must eat, for example, but those who find pleasure in 'food' will take great pains to create or consume meals of both visual beauty and exquisite taste, regardless of its actual nutritional content. There is a satisfaction in creating a delicious meal, serving it to another, and being told it is delicious. I've come to enjoy creating curry of various kinds for this reason, though I don't do it very often. There's no point in creating food solely for myself, after all." (Elisa can no doubt guess why.)
        
        He drains his teacup, then sets it back down delicately to its saucer. "Which brings me to my second piece of advice: find out what brings you pleasure, or at least what interests you, and explore it. Lilim culture is a rich source of such things. I have a great love of music, which I express by playing and composing it, but you may prefer the visual arts, such as paintings or sculptures," he thinks of Yuliana's giant plush tiger, "or some form of crafting.
        
        "There are also 'sports,' which can be a fascinating way of expressing the limits of the physical body, though you may have trouble finding a partner or opponent you can express yourself freely to. But you needn't perform in the sports yourself; you may also observe them. That's my third piece of advice: determine whether you prefer doing or observing. Hobbies can take both forms, and you may find one suits you better than the other. Though of course, you may also find you enjoy both."
        
        He pauses, watching Elisa in curiosity. "Does anything come to mind?"

<Pose Tracker> Elisa Kafim has posed.


"Hmmm... Yes. It would be inconvenient if my Yuliana were more sentimental," she admits, because of course sentiment is the reason one would oppose such a thing. "But I suppose I might do the same, in your position."

"Yes... I suppose if they do not 'willingly' achieve their potential, there is little chance that it will end well. One cannot press forward into new horizons while bemoaning that which one has left behind." A pause. "...Fair. I must, of course; my Yuliana has great interest in human conflicts."

But they focus on... Not benefit, but...

Hmm. "Yuliana enjoys food," Elisa points out as he speaks. She has personal chefs for the Castle, in fact. "Hmmm... yes. This is the same for me; I have no need of food any longer. I eat it largely to make her happy."

What brings her pleasure... "Hmm." She does have a few things that come to mind for that. But she listens, before explaining them. Esspecially as he mentions sports, and there...

"I once did sports," Elisa reflects. "In my past life, I was an athlete. I still find exercise meditative. It did not occur to me that this might be 'recreation'."

"...But it is true that I no longer have limits to transcend, physically. So perhaps..."

"I do enjoy music," she reflects. "...But I suppose it is in crafting that I find the most appeal. To make something with one's hands, to forge art of raw materials... This sounds appealing, as I think of it."

<Pose Tracker> Kaworu Nagisa has posed.

        Of course. Is 'morality' not borne of 'sentiment,' after all?
        
        "Yes. She's experienced a great many. I imagine it would be difficult for her to sever herself from them," Kaworu muses, of Yuliana and human conflicts. It's the same reason why Shinji will inevitably return to conflict... He's simply too kind to turn his back and avert his eyes for long.
        
        His smile grows when Elisa confirms her relationship to food. "I know how you feel. The one I love likes to make food for others, himself. It's one of the many ways in which he expresses his kindness." If it's something he's made, I'll eat it without hesitation," he says, voice rich with affection.
        
        He goes on with his pieces of advice, and Elisa does end up finding it useful. "Oh?" he says of her previous athleticism. He chuckles a bit. "It's astonishingly common. Observing the execution of a sport by athletes, from professionals to schoolchildren, is immensely popular among Lilim."
        
        He nods, too, as she remarks on crafting. "I thought you might. I saw Plyushokrova. Yuliana told me you had him commissioned for her, but it felt like something you yourself might do."

<Pose Tracker> Elisa Kafim has posed.


Indeed, Elisa would say it is.

"Quite so. She considers herself part of this world, for better and for worse. She will not leave it behind easily. ...And so I must consider it more, as well." But Kaworu speaks of kindness, and Elisa inclines her head serenly. "A dangerous quality... And a rare one in its way. It must be something you protect."

"Ahhh, I see. How lovely. My Yuliana prefers to taste, than to make--she is an expert on the cuisines of many human cultures."

It is nice, to talk of those they love.

"Indeed. Many all over the world observed my competitions. ...But I acted to test my own limits. I do not think I could enjoy it as much now."

But, "Ahh, yes. I did commission it, but it might be... 'fun', to make such a thing. However..."

'I think the medium I will try is clay, or stone."


<Pose Tracker> Kaworu Nagisa has posed.

        Dangerous and rare... Yes. Kaworu's smile takes on a certain bittersweet melancholy for a moment. "I try."
        
        It sounds more like Yuliana to prefer to taste than to make, too. Kaworu makes a mental note to ask her what she knows about curry the next time they have the chance to, so that he can share it with Shinji later. It really is very nice, to talk of those they love.
        
        "I see. Yes, probably not," he agrees. "But it might still be interesting to watch. I understand one of the appeals is selecting an athlete or a team that you like, and supporting them as they strive for victory. Perhaps you would enjoy that, too."
        
        But if it doesn't, it doesn't. There's at least one thing that draws Elisa's interest, and that's art through clay and stone. "Sculpture is a fine form of art. When you have produced something you'd like to share, I'd be pleased to bear witness to it."

<Pose Tracker> Elisa Kafim has posed.


"I hope you can. It is... difficult, to protect. Far easier to destroy."

But Elisa is enjoying this conversation, which is saying something because she rarely 'enjoys' very much at all. However, she is here. And, well--

"Hmmm. Yes, that is an interesting idea. Perhaps I will look into sports... Mine was gymnastics. But perhaps a team effort would be suitable."

If it doesn't work, it doesn't. Still--

"...Then that is what I shall do," Elisa says. "I shall make something, and show my Yuliana... and you, Kaworu."

"Thank you."

<Pose Tracker> Kaworu Nagisa has posed.

        "Yes," Kaworu agrees.
        
        It's simply a truth of the universe, after all.
        
        "You're welcome, Elisa," he adds, more warmly. They'll have more to converse about before he eventually leaves--asking Elisa about her old sport and what she did with it, as an example, and the sorts of sculptures she might eventually create--and he, too, enjoys it.
        
        It's very good indeed to have a friend who understands how you feel.